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Dregpike's avatar

I've tried in vein to get hold of detailed information on the Irish iron age tribes particularly the Brigantes of Waterford and Wexford who must have been kinsman with the Brigantes of northern England.

Apparently the Brigantes of Ireland claimed to be of Iberian origins.

John Whittaker in his history of Manchester writes at length onnthe subject though I read it witj a massive pinch of salt to be fair considering most of his narrative was based on the Ossian Saga. Interesting reading and theorizing nonetheless

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Dregpike's avatar

Great stuff

I do hate that misnomer Celt and try whenever and wherever to use the more apt term Brython.

Its ironic that during the Welsh Tudor dynasties reign this Nordic revisionist poison began to solidify. Well into Elizabethan times though the English people had not become disconnected from their ancestors. We see it in Shakespear and there where other popular plays during that era that celebrated and kept the people connected to their past. The tragedy of Ferrex and Porrex is an example, Hollinshead and other books from that time show the English knew their old heroes, from Belinus and Brennius to Caratacus and Arthur.

By the 18th and 19th century there is a notable change in the narrative and it is clear that the English of that era now believe they're history begins in 450AD.

Thanks for enlightening and doing justice to our ancestors

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I understand your avoidance of the word Celt. However, I have become more comfortable with it the more I look into the history of what is, after all, a language group. The Celtic language has far deeper roots on the Atlantic Facade, as Barry Cunliffe calls it, than historians have allowed. I think the Celts have been written out of history in a big way and I use the term to connect with people in a way that I din’t think Brythonic achieves, though it is more “accurate.” There are many mysterious issues to be explored concerning the connections between the “Cumbrian” people and the Irish….the material culture surrounding the Bronze Age in Cumbria is full of items that can now be traced back to Ireland. We haven’t even begun to uncover all this…

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